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LOST Theories So you think you know some secrets of the island? Maybe you can explain everything. If it's original and you can back it up, we'd love to hear it.

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Old 03-26-08, 11:36 AM   #1
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+ Reverse engineering the flow of time

Who staged the plane crash?

1. Forget the flashbacks.
2. Reverse the flow of time.


A bunch of people on top of a mountain watch a plane crash.
They receive a radio message.
IT has killed them all. They are all dead.
Maybe IT is the security system. All the passengers of O-815 are dead.


They decide to descend towards the beach.
Their plan is to supplant the passengers of the plane crash and get off the island.
They have internal disputes and resentments.
They find a polar bear; the polar bear runs away.


Down by the beach.
Two guys find someone who says he is a US marshal with a piece of metal sticking out from his gut.


A pregnant lady feels her baby kick.
Some Korean guy gives her something to eat.
The baby stops kicking. Good medicine?


The guys from the mountain finally arrive to the beach.
The beach appears to be the site of a plane crash.
A couple of them start fighting again.


The Korean guy offers something to eat to the big man.
The big man rejects the food.


Some girl is talking with the guy that was with that injured man before.
They are planning what to do with their radio receiver.


The Iraqi man sabotages the radio.


The Iraqi man and one of the guys who came down the mountain start fighting again.


More conflicts spark, one man interferes while the Korean couple is fighting.
One of the girls who came down the mountain decides to relax.
One of the men who came with her, tells her she should help them out.


Two guys & one girl take the radio receiver and go on a hike into the jungle.
They find the body of the pilot of the plane.
It starts raining.
The taller guy disappears in the jungle.


They hear some strange noises and they all run for cover inside the cockpit of the plane.
Suddenly the pilot enters the plane through the windshield.



They give him the sabotaged radio.
The pilot cannot get in contact with anyone.
The taller guy gives him something to drink.
The pilot collapses and dies.


They get out of the cockpit and return to the beach.
The girl who just came in steals the shoes from a corpse.
One man smiles at her while she does this.
This man is not paralyzed.


At nightfall they hear the monster again out in the jungle.
After a while they forget about it.
They chat and have dinner by the camp fires.



The next morning.
The guy asks the girl that accompanied him to the cockpit to open a flesh wound in his back.
She does this while he tells her how she's supposed to do it.


A little later, the same man supervises that all the explosives and the bodies have been put in their place and gives the order to start the show.


He runs around the staged wreckage.
He tells a young man how he can fake he's doing cpr on an old lady.
He checks out that the crash site looks realistic.


The man in the suit runs back into the jungle.
Drinks a couple of bottles of vodka and passes out.
Waits for rescue to come...


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Old 03-26-08, 05:02 PM   #2
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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

Hmmmmm.....

So the Losties were originally stuck on the island and they recreated the crash site with them as survivors (replacing some of the dead?) to await rescue?

Does rescue not come, or are you saying everything we are seeing is in reverse order?

That would certainly go a long way to explain why they never ask the right kinds of questions or do the right kinds of things. They have already been there and done that.

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Old 03-26-08, 06:03 PM   #3
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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

My bf and I got into a heated discussion a week ago on this topic. We disagree with what is staged.

I'm leaning towards the idea that the pilot episode is key, because I think the beach scene was all a big staged event.

My bf then asks me about Ben seeing the plane in the sky and crack in half and sending Goodwin and Ethan out.

My answer to that is yes ... a plane.... is cracked in half and crashing but it does not mean it's the losties plane, or even mean that's how they got there. Some other plane very well have crashed. Maybe Ben had something to do with it. Maybe its a smoke and mirrors trick like the many others.

I think all those losties were in room 23 and were brainwashed to believe they were a part of flight 815 and that they were on a plane that crashed. I don't think any of them were. Simply because their injuries and the death rate would be too huge.

I remember when I watched that episode at how good Kate was at differentiating herself from everyone else. She immediately went out and found her luggage. It would take me months or years to find my luggage, and that's after my whiplash and broken legs would have healed, yet she did it as if she already knew where it was stashed. Same thing for other objects she's found.

Another question my bf asked me in our disagreement, then is "how did they get there then if they didn't crash on a plane?" My answer is the same way Juliette got there. The same way Ethan, Tom and Alpert went back and forth.

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Old 03-26-08, 06:16 PM   #4
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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

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are you saying everything we are seeing is in reverse order?
If that is so, I have 65 questions for Lace, and at the end I may have 40 more.

But I assume Tabula Rasa is normal time again. Lace, do we have to forget all flashbacks? Or can we assume that they point to some common connections, particularly Jack and Ana-Lucia: were the Tailies part of the crashers or the fakers? It would be a nice finale, to see the Pilot in normal order from the Tailies perspective. None of the main characters, just Cindy, AL, Eko, &c. (And you can take the credit for calling it!)

Is it possible AL shot Shannon to hurt Sayid, because he sabotaged the radio? Does that mean that Michael was in league with Sayid?

Although I don't think you can reverse the whole timeline, especially the ones with births and deaths, there could be more reversible episodes, don't you think?

And I like the idea. I've always wondered if there were any books where you can read all the sentences backward and still have a good, or even better, story.
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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

Reminds me of the memento thread.
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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

3. Free your mind: forget death scenes.










Reverse engineering of The Other 48 days coming soon

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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

But what about Aaron, Lace? Aaron! Did they make him smaller? Do we need to watch his birth in reverse? Was that why Claire was in pain?
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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

Who's Aaron's father?


4,8,15 or 16 years ago Claire arrived on the island.
Rousseau kidnapped Claire one night.
She took her to the medical station.
She wanted to trade her for her daughter.


Claire lived for years with the others and she was used as a guinea pig for Ethan's fertility research.


Ethan's therapy was succesful and Claire got pregnant.
A room was prepared for her baby.


One day a girl woke her up and told her to leave immediately because they were going to cut her baby out of her.
Claire managed to escape and found Locke and Boone in the middle of the jungle.


Ethan tried as hard as he could to get Claire back.
He contacted Charlie and told him to bring her out into the jungle.
Charlie and Ethan made a deal; Charlie would take her out into the jungle so Ethan could continue injecting her. Claire's recollections of those encounters were erased with hypnosis.


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Another question my bf asked me in our disagreement, then is "how did they get there then if they didn't crash on a plane?" My answer is the same way Juliette got there. The same way Ethan, Tom and Alpert went back and forth.

Michael arrived to the island by boat, bringing Walt with him.
He handed Walt over to Ben for experimentation.
Jack, Sawyer and Kate were hogtied and were going to be banished from Otherville for their transgressions.
They all accompanied Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer into the jungle.
The others drugged Jack, Hurley, Sawyer and Kate.
As J-H-S-K regained consciousness, they heard the whispers of the others walking away in the distance and freaked out because they had been marooned on the dangerous big island again.
Michael, Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley went back to the dharma hatch.
This hatch was rebuilt, refurbished and eventually covered and hidden so that Desmond would find it intact when he came to island by boat so that he would execute the order to crash O815 right on time.

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Re: Reverse engineering the flow of time

Lace,

The Claire/Ethan and Boone/Shannon ones are really quite believable.

Especially considering Claire's story was all based on her drugged memory.

Papa Ethan - now that's a scary kid.

The J/K/S/H one is pretty funny. "He handed Walt over to Ben for experimentation."
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